Well I thought that this might be an interesting subject and one that I am sure many of us have pondered over, you have a conceal carry permit to carry a concealed firearm of your choice.

The gun could even be a 50 cal Smith & Wesson (if you where stupid enough to carry one of those on you all day..LOL) that is capable of doing some very serious and lethal damage from a distance, you have passed all the back ground checks and are of good standing.

But you are not allowed to carry an Automatic Knife, I am sorry but I don't see the reasoning in that. Especially when you take into consideration the advancement in knife technology and the speed of deployment capability that systems like the Axis Lock has advanced too.

I can open a 556 almost as fast as an Auto and then you have the Assisted Open models like the 585 that is perfectly legal to carry in most states, I just can't understand the reasoning behind the laws.

Personally I think that it's as simple as "Word Association" you say the word Automatic and my God law makers think that the world is coming to an end...

What are your thoughts..????

You can in Florida...

Now that is what I like to see, Law Makers with common sense like in Florida. Unfortunately that's not the case where I live in PA, but who knows they might one day come to there senses...

Oh yeah, there's a lot of common sense law makers around here.

Welcome to the forum.

There is a difference here; our constitution grants us the right to bear arms.

While you may consider a knife a weapon and put it in the same vein as firearms, that doesn't necessarily make it so. Explosives and many other things that could be weapons are very much forbidden or restricted.

Many knife laws haven't been updated since the days of the lockback folder and slipjoint knives being the most prevalent. Most of those models can't be opened with a single hand. Advances in lock technology and things like assists could honestly go into a grey area depending on how you read the laws. Stating that you can open an axis lock just as fast as an auto may be true, but that may only mean that the governing body would want to restrict access to axis locks. For more on this, read back through damocles1962's posts and fight to get his knives through Australia's customs house.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but I can see where people would make the case. I'm not sure what the technique is called, but I've always referred to it as 'flopping a knife open' by whipping my wrist and using the inertia imposed on the blade to open it.. technically speaking, that makes the knife a gravity knife which is forbidden in most states as well. Now, just because you can do it doesn't mean you do it because its hard on the lockface, stop pin, etc., but the fact that it can be done is what causes some governments to restrict or outlaw them.

It seems that many people are against anything they don't understand or don't have a use for themselves. I should probably delete this because I'm not fully awake yet; if it looks really incoherent later, I'll edit and reword it.

I agree with you completely and I understand that things like Explosives need to be and should be restricted, because they can be used as weapons of Mass Destruction when in the wrong hands.

The reality is that technology of knives have advanced so much within the last 10 years, as has cell phones, computer and many more tools and devices.

The plain truth is that a 3 inch pocket knife may or many not be a weapon, in 99.99% of cases as in mine I use a knife to open boxes, peel oranges and general use. Apart from the plain fact that you can have a license to carry a Hand Gun within most states and they deny the right to carry an Auto Knife seems to me to be an Oxymoron.

I am Australian but live here in the USA and understand damocles1962's frustrations, but Australia is a different country with different laws. I am not saying that I agree with those laws especially when I feel victim to having to sell all my guns back to the Government in the "National Mandatory Gun Buy-Back".

My only point here is to out line what I see as a now useless law, antiquated even and I do understand that there are some funny laws here like "Singing in the Shower" is illegal our county in PA (OK with my voice that might not be a bad law...LOL).

I agree on the 99.99% of the time a knife is used as a tool.

This latest Blade Mag is military in flavor given 9/11, and inside there's a letter published by an anonymous soldier out in the sand somewhere.

What he basically says is in the 22 years he's been in service, only twice was a knife used in self-defence, and this was when the bad guy got too close and his firearm couldn't be brought into play in time.

He says the rest of the time they, (knives), are used for the more mundane things like opening MRE's and mail from home.

And this comes from a guy who knows his business.

Whatever is done with all of this, what's really needed is a universal set of laws and rules. Enough with the thousands of local variations that drive us all so nuts.

Does a concealed weapons permit allow a person to carry a bigger knife than legal limit?

Say, if the limit is 3 1/2 and you wanted to carry a 741 ONSLAUGHT at 4 1/4 inches

These are all very good points and a most interesting one is the idea of a "National Standard", how on Gods wide earth can some one know every local law and ordinance of every town, county or state.

There has to be some kind of law or limitation, I am sure that we all understand that and at this stage the only one universal law that would make sense in my opinion would be on the length of the knife.

Between 3 to 4 inches sounds reasonable to me (even if it's Auto), some places have limited of up to 3 inches and the only thing that will always remain static is a blades length.

The Technology may change but the length choices will always be based on the law of Mathematics.

I really can't see why an Auto shouldn't be allowed to be carried by anyone today (excluding Felons), I have said before that my personal opinion is that it's word association "AUTO = BAD".

I simply wanted to compare the Gun Law to the Auto knife law and point out that the GUN can be more lethal than a knife, but you my GOD don't let any one (in some states) have a carry Auto Knife.

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