The combination sounds unnecessary and possibly dangerous. Pull back the Axis bar then apply the excess force needed to reload the Nitrous. That’s a lot of work and extra effort to retract a blade.

Plus it seems overly complicated and a prime suspect for mechanical failures. The price would be high due to all the stuff crammed into the handle. It’s an interesting idea and I’m a big fan of the Nitrous. I feel it to be the most reliable assisted mechanism on the market.

I am only speculating in my comments and could be wrong of course. Through personal experience I have had many Nitrous assist models and they never even hint of slowing down or wearing out. I have a 912D2 that has seen aprox. 25,000 deployments. I was addicted to playing with that knife a few years ago. It just gets smoother with no further loss of power after the first few thousand openings.

I don’t think we’ll see it with the success of the current assisted Axis.

Nice conversation, but we'll never see a hybrid Nitrous/Axis design. It's either one or the other, and while I like the Nitrous nothing beats the A/O Axis.

In addressing the issue that Dr. Pringles brought up about the excessive force needed to close the blade. I believe I will also show why the Nitrous Axis could be an attractive desing system over the the AO system for certain people.
Which does have a great design/following for guys with SD in mind.
But hey, different strokes for differnet folks


If you have a nitrous equippted knife in an open position and you disengage the lock, the blade moves freely nearly 50 percent of the distance to being closed with no tenstion at all. So, actually it would use less force to close than an AO system. Well maybe the same amount of force, just for half the distance. Making it simpler to close one handed.
You pull back the axis lock and the blade closes halfway on its own. At this point if you release the axis lock button the axis bar should have enough pressure on the tang to stop the blade from moving freely. There by allowing you to close the blade the rest of the way however you see fit to do so. For me, it would most likely be by using my thumb, resting it on the spine and pulling the blade the rest of the way into the handle.

Where as the AO system wants to return to the open position the entire time. Where cation I feel I have to be more catious. No more catious than an AUTO tho...

The NitroAxis allows you to close the knife without a finger being in the way like it is on a current model of the Nitrous system. In which case the blade falls closed and lands on the top of your thumb nail while your holding the liner lock over in the disengaged position. Sure it can be done that with out that happening... but it could be done with out that having to happen at all.

As to the overly complicated portion... huh...! all that is being suggested is to add the nitrous liners into the existing axis lock configuration.
The only things that need be added are:

barrel spacers with collars long enough to pass through both liners, with Beefer screws to hold it together. A longer female portion of the pivot pin, and a longer AXIS bar to allow for the extra liner thickness. everything else is the same.

Weight: how heavy are the liners from a Knife with a Nitous System.
That would be the single biggest hurdle for the knife. if everthing else was sitting on a table and you assembled it. What is it's final weight.

I ask what would it's final weight be compared to a knife of similar size that is equiped with an AO system.

Balance: I would believe that the NitroAxis system would have a more balanced feel, being their would be far less hardware at the front of the knife.
Compared to the AO systems.

If the titanium liner is strong enough to resist wear and tear from the axis lock, the second liner would not even be needed. thus making the knife yet again..even lighter than an AO system.

The first thing I believe that needs to happen before the other things even become a consideration is, a design that allows the axis and the nitrous both to be intergrated flawlessly into operation in the space of a modest size handle.

As I layed out in a previous post, I believe, that an 1/8" of height to the handle would afford the space needed for the Tang to be modified to accomodate the modifications nessessary to fire the blade with the Nitrous system and then lock SHUT with the axis lock.
I proposed a camel type hump on the tang and moving the nitrous system from the top of the handle to a lower portion. Thus, allowing, when the knife is closed, adequate clearance/ no interferance with the axis lock in the closed position.

1 + 1 can equal 1
1 part Nitrous + 1 part Axis equal 1 Bad az knife

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Man this is a long thread that prolly could have been resolved with this link: http://www.benchmade.com/about...cking_mechanisms.asp


hehe ...couldn't resist.

ummm, trying to show they have the locking and opening systems
they use already. and that there is not a listing for the "Nitroaxis" yet