Ok Folks are you ready for my idea....
Zero-G's
If we are mostly made of water, (80%) ish. Here is my wondering thing that makes you go Hummmm...! thought of the day.

If you are encased in water..sort of like a fish in a plastic bag heading home from the store...
Well lets say in a container with no Space containing air..think a round capsule with no air in it filled completely with water.
In which, a person was suspended in said container...neutraly boyant... being feed air and such. perhaps in a space suit like suit...
Now place that same container with the space suited person that is in a capsule slap full off water on one of the G-force spinny thingies....?

Would the person in the suit experience G-force or would the water become the buffer for the gravity.
I ask you then, could an airplane/Highly technologicaly advanced flying machine cockpit be designed to hold said container of water with said person suited up in it?
So that, the craft would not be limited by the amount of G-force the pilot could handle, but rather limited only by the moneuverability of the craft it's self?

What do you think?

The effects of inertia would be present, so the G -forces would still be apparent. Even in space, beyond the effects of earth's gravity, this would be true. Inertia is a dish that is best served...no, wait...that's revenge. My bad.

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Originally posted by TheDoctor:
The effects of inertia would be present, so the G -forces would still be apparent. Even in space, beyond the effects of earth's gravity, this would be true. Inertia is a dish that is best served...no, wait...that's revenge. My bad.

If a fish is encapsulated in water and the whole container of water is moving then suddenly came to a complete stop the fish would not fly thru the water and smack into the side of the container. It would remain in the middle of the container suspended in the liquid.

I'm not saying there are not some hurdles to over come but the thing that is the biggest problem is the energy transfer of g-s to your body....
The water would press against the surface not your body....

OK ok .. maybe i am thinking to simply...
Let me ask it like this....

Lets say we have a 10 story building and you could build a cube shaped container that you could fill full of water with no Air in it at all. Slap, Plum lipp'n full of water and it dropped from the 10 floor down to ground floor...

just saying it would not come apart when it impacted.. Just for argument sake.... that the cube that contained the water would stay intact after inpact after falling 10 stories.

Would a fish floating/ or a nutraly boyant person feel the sudden stop?

ok Inertia
by being in the water and being mostly of water it is the only liquid that could be considered a solid if you built a cube full of water and climb into it and shut the lid so no air was inside. the cube becomes a soldi colum of water and if the colum of water could stay intact and not change shape.....
The inertia is felt buy the surface of impact.


so,wait... because we are not solid water, ourselves. Meaning there is a certain amount of air inside our bodies. the little spaces inbetween all our parts still has air....

Means, we may remain stationairy inside the colum of water but everything inside would sloosh back and forth within us....?

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Water, or no water - fall 10 stories = death.

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Originally posted by TheBlueram234:

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Originally posted by TheDoctor:
The effects of inertia would be present, so the G -forces would still be apparent. Even in space, beyond the effects of earth's gravity, this would be true. Inertia is a dish that is best served...no, wait...that's revenge. My bad.

If a fish is encapsulated in water and the whole container of water is moving then suddenly came to a complete stop the fish would not fly thru the water and smack into the side of the container. It would remain in the middle of the container suspended in the liquid.

I'm not saying there are not some hurdles to over come but the thing that is the biggest problem is the energy transfer of g-s to your body....
The water would press against the surface not your body....

OK ok .. maybe i am thinking to simply...
Let me ask it like this....

Lets say we have a 10 story building and you could build a cube shaped container that you could fill full of water with no Air in it at all. Slap, Plum lipp'n full of water and it dropped from the 10 floor down to ground floor...

just saying it would not come apart when it impacted.. Just for argument sake.... that the cube that contained the water would stay intact after inpact after falling 10 stories.

Would a fish floating/ or a nutraly boyant person feel the sudden stop?

I'm sure there's some mathematical formula that proves or disproves this idea, but I don't know what it is. But I know that neutral bouyancy is a balance between the mass/weight of the object (in this case, a person - and it also must take into account the individual person's bodyfat content...a morbidly obese person is far more bouyant than a skinny dude,) the salinity of the water (more salt, more buoyancy,) and gravity, itself. A body of water falling from 10 stories is going to be close to or right at terminal velocity by the time it hits the ground, so the inertia at the sudden stop will create energy equaling several Gs. That includes the water, the container, and everything else inside, I think.

Water or not, it's still not the fall that kills the guy, it's the sudden stop at the end. But I'm really just guessing here, I don't know the math. You could prove the case either way with a fish bowl, a gallon of water and an accelerometer.

Better yet, just drop a water balloon from one story, then another one at 10 stories, then check the difference in the splatter. I'm pretty sure the second one will have fallen with enough energy to make a much bigger splash.

ok forget the elevator bad comparison anyway.
Doc, I was trying to build upon the thought I was expressing,
to design a combat airplane cockpit that would allow the pilot to
experience more G-force than ever experienced.

and if combined with the dive technology from the movie
the abyss.. it actually had a fighting chance.....

a cockpit may not be where it would be best utilized.
but in space travel...perhaps so when they do sling shot maneuvers
to gain speed it would take less time because more g's
could be applied during each acceleration.

I know what you were getting at, buddy. You asked what we thought, and I don't think it would work. For one thing, the water the pilot would be suspended in would develop the same apparent increase and would probably crush the guy.

The technology from The Abyss is perfluorocarbon, or liquid breathing. That's really for preventing decompression illness, so I'm not sure what the application is for space travel, other than helping with keeping the nitrogen level in the blood down.

The idea is if we are breathing the perfluorocarbon...That we would not have air in our body. we become one with the water. In which case we are a solid not a solid with tiny air pockets/ or 2 big ones (our Lungs) that let the other stuff move around in our body..deminishing the effects of momentum on a person. Hopefully with standing I would hope 2,3,4 times the amount of gravity we are able to normally with stand.....

A fish floating in a bag of water....you lift the bag up rapidly the fish does not sink to the bottom. lower the bag rapidly the fish does not shift to the top of the bag. he sits in the middle of the bag... unless there is current inside the bag or is swimming.

Got this idea as a kid when i was about 15 going fishing with dad holding minnows in a 2 gallon bag in front of me and the fish sat in the middle of the bag although i was taking all the bumps while the truck went down the road.

If you have a solid cube/sphere of water,
the part that feels the pressure is the edges.
and if you put it on a gyroscope contraption so it does not spin with the ship the water inside would not be susceptible to centrifugal forces....
meaning if the the ship spins to fast and the cube/sphere is spining the water would begin to spin.
But if on a gyro it would remain realatively stationary...?

and if by breathing the perfluorocarbon the divers are able to go to depths of much HIGHER pressures. It should increase the amount of G-forces a peason should be able to endure.......